๐ŸŸข Proposal: KAIA Chain Inflation Adjustment via Vote-Integrated Stake-weighted Aggregation (VISTA)

I think we also need to consider if itโ€™s possible to let foundation decide the inflation number, which could directly influence on the market.

This is very important (actually critical) issue since it might be related to any security issue from the perspective of the SECโ€™s Howey test.

To fundamentally remove the issue, making the decision by standards defined/discussed by open governance would be necessary, rather than letting centralized entity to decide the specific number.

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Really like this direction.
Averaging votes instead of binary choices makes it more inclusive and practical.
Excluding outliers + multisig veto = smart safeguards.
Dynamic inflation tied to real activity feels like the right long-term move.

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I totally agree. I hope the reward distribution structure will be improved.

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Iโ€™ve been having so much fun playing the Kaia Minidap game these days. Go Kaia!

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Thank you very much for your detailed response.

First of all, let me clarify the confusion about absolute and relative values I previously mentioned. From now on, Iโ€™ll simply use โ€˜%pโ€™ and โ€˜%.โ€™ (Example: If the interest rate changes from 3% โ†’ 4%, thatโ€™s a 1%p increase, or a 33.3% increase.)

Your understanding of the โ€˜As-Isโ€™ and โ€˜To-Beโ€™ scenarios is spot-on. However, considering your mention of the Howey Test, I believe we should abandon the concept of the foundation having exclusive decision-making power under the โ€˜To-Beโ€™ scenario.

I fully agree that governance members need clear standards for proposing numbers. However, Iโ€™m concerned whether governance membersโ€”who often struggle even with basic votingโ€”can provide meaningful values, even with guidelines. Therefore, it seems crucial to clearly define penalties and incentives first, then consider guidelines afterward. Also, even without a written document, simply holding governance meetings managed by the foundation before dot-plot survey might be sufficient.

Regarding the absolute inflation adjustment value of ยฑ1%p, I acknowledge that it is indeed aggressive. Nonetheless, I still feel the quarterly maximum of ยฑ0.1%p you suggested is overly conservative, especially when considering the compound nature of inflation adjustments. For example, even at 5% inflation, it naturally becomes 4.7% within a year.

Thus, Iโ€™d like to re-propose the VISTA numerical adjustments as follows:

  • Adjustment Limit: Maximum ยฑ0.3%p per quarter (90 days)
  • Method: Ramp-up/downโ€”Quarterly limits evenly divided across three cycles (30 days each), resulting in a maximum ยฑ0.1%p per cycle.

Relevant numerical references from other chains:

The important takeaway here is that discussions like these are becoming increasingly active in 2025, primarily focusing on ramping down inflation. It appears that, as chains mature, they naturally begin reevaluating inflation rates.

References:

  1. Aptos AIP-119 โ€” Gradual Staking APR Reduction (2025-04-17)
  2. Polkadot Referendum #1139 โ€” Inflation Reduction with era-ramp-down (2025-01)
  3. Celestia CIP โ€œReduce Inflationโ€ โ€” Proposal for a -33% inflation adjustment (2025-02)

โ€ป Due to system limitations, Iโ€™m unable to share a direct link here.
For the reference link, please refer to the Twitter link Iโ€™ll postโ€”same as in the initial proposal.

I provided specific numbers and didnโ€™t just suggest โ€˜hold a governance meeting or let the foundation handle itโ€™ because, as the original proposer of this issue, I donโ€™t want to be irresponsible. So, please candidly point out if there are flaws in my suggestions. After all, my understanding of the foundationโ€™s operations and principles isnโ€™t as deep as yours.

Regarding the block proposer selection method, my thoughts are still incomplete, and I need more time to finalize them. My brain bandwidth feels limited right now.

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Sorry for the late response.

First of all, as this discussion becomes more structured, I think we need a way to drive the actual results. It would be great if we could use the https://x.com/KaiaChain_KR/status/1933018563784421692 meetup or the community town hall.

I think 0.1%p per cycle is much more feasible. Before discussing the block proposer selection method, Iโ€™d like to hear the opinions of the GCs. Your feedback or idea would be greatly appreciated.

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VCsโ€™ silence( [ABGAasia] [AhnLab_ABC] [animocabrands] [binance] [bisonaiofficial][CertiK] [CosmostationVD][goldstation_io]
[delightlabs_io] [DOSI_official] [DWFLabs] [GGLabs_Official]
[HashKey_Global] [bora_ecosystem] [NeopinOfficial]
[NFTbank_ai] [Orbit_Chain] [Presto_Labs] [StableLab] [Swapscanner]
[Verichains][x2eall][WemixNetwork] [DoraHacks]
[maekyungsns]) on this proposal is disappointing and concerning. As key players in shaping the future of innovation on Kaia Chain, their refusal to even engage in public discourseโ€”let alone provide constructive feedbackโ€”shows a lack of responsibility to both doboongkun and the broader community. If VCs want to be seen as true partners in progress, they need to speak up, participate, and help shape policies that impact the industries they claim to champion.

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์ด์ œ ๋ณธ ์ œ์•ˆ์˜ ์ฃผ๋„๊ถŒ์„ ์žฌ๋‹จ์— ๋„˜๊ธฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์š”.
ํ˜„์žฌ ์ œ ๊ถŒํ•œ์˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„์™€ ์˜จ์ฒด์ธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ํ”„๋กœ์„ธ์Šค์˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ช…ํ™•ํžˆ ์ธ์‹ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์—์š”.
์ œ ์„ ์—์„œ ๋ฐ๋“œ๋ผ์ธ ์„ค์ •ํ•ด๋ดค์ž ์•„๋ฌด ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์žฌ๋‹จ ์ฐจ์›์—์„œ ๋นŒ๋”ฉํ•˜๊ณ , ์“ธ๋งŒํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ถ”์ง„ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ณผ๊ฐํžˆ ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์…”๋„ ๋˜์–ด์š”.

์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”,

  1. ์ด ์•ˆ๊ฑด์„ ๋…ผ์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ, ์žฌ๋‹จ์ด ์นด์ด์•„ ๋ฐœ์ „์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ง„์ง€ํ•œ ์˜์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์„ ๋А๊ผˆ์–ด์š”.
    ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„๋“ค์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ˜„์ €ํžˆ ๋‚ฎ์•„์„œ ์ƒˆ์‚ผ ๋†€๋ž๋„ค์š”.
  2. ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด์…˜ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ด์Šˆ์กฐ์ฐจ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ €์กฐํ•œ ํ˜„์‹ค์€, ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ์ฐธ์—ฌ ์œ ์ธ์ฑ…์ด ์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์„ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋ƒˆ์–ด์š”.
  3. ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ํ™€๋”๋กœ์„œ์˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์ ˆ๊ฐํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
    ์žฌ๋‹จ ์˜ค๋น ๋“ค์ด ํฌ๋Ÿผ์ด๋ž‘ X์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๊ฒฌ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฉ˜์…˜ํ•ด์„œ ๋ถˆ๋ €๋Š”๋ฐ ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ ๋‚ด๋‚ด ์ฝ”๋นผ๊ธฐ๋„ ์•ˆ ๋น„์ถ”๋Š” ๊ฑฐ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ญโ€ฆ. ์˜ˆโ€ฆ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
    ์นด์ด์•„์˜ ์˜จ์ฒด์ธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ํ˜•์‹์€ ์ž˜ ๊ฐ–์ท„์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹ค์งˆ์  ์ž‘๋™์—๋Š” ์–ด๋ ค์›€์„ ๊ฒช๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด์—ฌ์š”.
    ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„๋“ค์ด ์ง€๋ถ„๊ณผ ์ž๊ฒฉ์€ ๊ฐ–์ถ”์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์นด์ด์•„ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„ ๋ฐœ์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ดํ•ด์™€ ์‹ค์งˆ์  ์ฐธ์—ฌ ์˜์ง€๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๊ปด์กŒ์–ด์š”.
  4. ๊ทผ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋˜ ์š•๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฒŒโ€ฆ ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ˆ˜์ต ๋ชฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•œ ๋…ธ๋“œ ๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”?
    ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“คํ•œํ…Œ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์‹œํ‚ค๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ดํ•ด๊ด€๊ณ„์˜ ๋ถˆ์ผ์น˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•œ ๊ฑฐ ์•„๋‹๊นŒ์š”?
    ์ง€๊ธˆ์ด๋ผ๋„ ์„œ๋ฒ„๋งŒ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ๊ณ , ์ •์ฑ… ๊ฒฐ์ • ํ† ๋ก /ํˆฌํ‘œ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์•„ํ”„๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์‹ซ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ์ „์ˆ˜์กฐ์‚ฌํ•ด์„œ ์กฐ์น˜๋ฅผ ์ทจํ•ด์ค˜์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ ์•„๋‹๊นŒ์š”?

VISTA์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋…ผ์˜ ์ฃผ๋„๊ถŒ์„ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์ „์—, ์•ž์„œ X ์ŠคํŽ˜์ด์Šค์—์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ณด์™„ ํ•„์š” ์‚ฌํ•ญ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ๋ง์”€ ๋“œ๋ฆด๊ฒŒ์š”.

  • ์ ๋„ํ‘œ(์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ ์„ค์ •) ์ž‘์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค
    ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค ์†”์งํžˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์“ด๋‹ค ํ•œ๋“ค, ๊ถŒ์œ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์„œ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์งˆ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์š”.
    ์ €๋Š” ์žฌ๋‹จ์˜ ๋‚ด๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ์ •๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ ์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์ผ๋‹ค ํ•œ๋“ค, ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋…น์•„๋“ค์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ธ์ •ํ•ด์ค„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์—†์–ด์š”.
    ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฑด ์žฌ๋‹จ์ด ์ด๋Œ€ ๋งค๊ณ  ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ์ฃผ์‹  ๋‹ค์Œ, ์™ธ๋ถ€ ๊ธฐ๊ด€์—์„œ ๋”ฐ๋ด‰ ๋„์žฅ๋„ ๋ฐ›์•„์„œ ์ฐ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋ฐฐํฌํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์•„์š”.
    ์ด ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด ๋‚ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ด์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ €์•ผ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜์ฃ .
    ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ.
    ๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ๋ จ๋œ๋‹ค ํ•ด๋„โ€ฆ ์ด๊ฑธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„๋“ค์ด ์ˆ˜์šฉํ•ด์„œ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์„ ์—์„œ์˜ ์˜์‚ฌ ๊ฒฐ์ •์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
    ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ์ฐฌ๋ฐ˜ํˆฌํ‘œ์— ์†Œ๊ทน์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๊ถŒํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋‚จ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ์ด๋“ค์ด, ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ ์ˆ˜์น˜ ์ œ์‹œ์—์„œ๋„ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ์œ  ์—†๋Š” ํ˜„ํ–‰์œ ์ง€์— ํ•œ ํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๋˜์ง€์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์„๊นŒ์š”?
    ์•ž์„œ ๋ฃจ์ด์Šค๋‹˜์ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹ , ์†Œ์ˆ˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„๋“ค์˜ ์ด์ต ๊ทน๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋‹ดํ•ฉ์œผ๋กœ ๋ถ€์ž‘์šฉ๋„ ๊ฑฑ์ •๋˜๋„ค์š”.
    ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ณผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์•„์š”.

  • ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ถˆ์ฐธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํŽ˜๋„ํ‹ฐ
    ์›๋ž˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด VISTA๋ผ๋Š” ์ •์ฑ…์„ ๋„์ž…ํ•˜์ž๊ณ  ์ œ์•ˆํ•œ ๋ชฉ์ ์€, ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค ๋ฉค๋ฒ„์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ ๋ถ€๋‹ด์„ ์ค„์ด๊ณ  ์†Œํ†ต์„ ์ด‰์ง„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
    ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ฏผ๊ฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋“ค๊ณ  ์˜ค๋ฉด, ์กฐ์šฉํ•˜๋˜ ์˜ค๋น ๋“ค๋„ ๋‹ค ๋›ฐ์–ด์™€์„œ ๋ถˆ๊ฐ™์ด ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด์‹ค์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋†€๋ผ์šธ ์ •๋„๋กœ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ์…จ์–ด์š”.
    ํŠนํžˆ ์นด์ด์•„ ์ƒํƒœ๊ณ„์—๋Š” Web2 ๋น„์ง€๋‹ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋ ฅ์ธ๋ฐ ์œ ๋… Web3์—์„œ๋Š” ์นด์ด์•„์—๋งŒ ๋ฐœ์„ ๊ฑธ์น˜๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
    ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ฑฐ๋ฒ„๋„Œ์Šค์— ์–ด๋–ค ์ธ๋ ฅ๊ณผ ์ž๋ณธ์„ ํˆฌ์ž…ํ•ด์„œ ์ฑ™๊ธฐ๊ธฐ์—๋Š”, ์ž๊ธฐ ๋น„์ง€๋‹ˆ์Šค์—์„œ ์ฐจ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๋น„์ค‘์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘๋‹ค๋ณด๋‹ˆ ์ˆ˜์ง€ํƒ€์‚ฐ์ด ์•ˆ ๋งž๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์•ˆ ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
    ๋”์ด์ƒ์€ ํ˜ธ์˜์— ๊ธฐ๋Œˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด์š”, ํŽ˜๋„ํ‹ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.
    ์ตœ์†Œํ•œ์˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌ ๊ธฐ์ค€์„ ๋งŒ์กฑํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ๊ธˆ์ „์  ์ด์ต, ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€ ์ •์ฑ… ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง€์œ„์—๋„ ์‹ค์งˆ์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ธ ๋ถˆ์ด์ต์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ๋งŒ ์ ๊ทน์ ์ธ ์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์œ ๋„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.

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From an economic growth perspective it is also a clear risk factor to have the foundation - just as it is with CBs - set a rate based on their understanding of the environment. You want the inflation (increase in money supply) to be connected to valuable activity as much as possible, as that ensures a connection between inflation and value provided. It also helps the foundation focus on other things. Monetary policy is very complex, and doing it wrongly has serious implications on the growth of the chain.

As long as the inflation rate is connected to valuable activity then the matter of dynamic vs fixed inflation is a matter of alignment, IMO, with that particular set of activities, rather than the principles of fixed vs dynamic in isolation.

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